File storage and bandwidth.
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bumblefudgereplied to :PUA: Shlee fucked around and last edited by
@shlee @helge @thisismissem @ruud @raphael > also, I'd like to see the AP include a UUID/hash of every media file so that in theory, instances/clients can migrate/roam from media server to media server or new media servers can easily find missing files.
This would be a major change to/extension of the protocol, BUT I completely agree that it would be worth exploring. Hash-addressing opens up multiple "fallback" methods to implementations that want to "heal" broken paths...
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@shlee @helge @thisismissem @ruud @raphael also, as far as making the *protocol itself* smarter about the expensive and clunky nature of uploads, it's worth mentioning that the spec itself has extremely little to say on the subject, and it would seem the authors of the protocol spec *assumed ongoing work would be done by the CG at the implementation/software level* : https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#uploading-media
We could... spin that CG work item back up? it feels like a placeholder that Rhiaro made 3 commits to...
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Well, I guess one needs to explain more than I've done so far. I'll try to update fairer federation.
Also this is really not an AP thing. I also believe that it is imperative to decouple the solution here. It's about sharing the work load in hosting media. That's relevant to every decentralized network ...
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@helge @shlee @thisismissem @ruud @raphael @silverpill feel free to tag me if you think my review would be helpful! if i miss the codeberg email you're welcome to DM and/or tag me here to nudge me
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:PUA: Shlee fucked around andreplied to smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) last edited by
@smallcircles @thisismissem @helge @EC_NGI @nlnet these tools generally don’t handle the dedupe at all
You need something with some smarts to redirect requests… like jortage
But the replication HA side of garage (and the other similar s3 clone) is great
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jon ⚝replied to :PUA: Shlee fucked around and last edited by
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Garage is the only FLOSS S3 service that I could find which allows to publish websites directly from the bucket, which is neat. -
Helgereplied to :PUA: Shlee fucked around and last edited by
After thinking and self reflecting some more, I have two things to say:
- There is a business case: If the costs are 330 $ / month for bandwidth and 70 $ /month for storage and one one can half storage, and passes half the savings along to the instance owners. One makes 20 $ / month profit per instance. So if one has like 500 instances using one's services one makes quite a bit of cash.
- If my economics is right this means for 380$ in revenue one makes 20$. That's about 5% profit. I think that's okish for a company. But there's taxes, etc ...
- Also with 500 instances, that's 190k$ a month of bills to pay. That's not a small business.
So what one would really need for this is a founder that knows if this is a "serious business case". I have no idea how to convince a bank to give me an account that can handle that kind of volume. I have no idea, how I would collect the bills. I have no idea how I would fairly split the bills between instances.
If you are a founder, and need someone to estimate the coding costs for this, and do the actual work, please feel free to reach out to me.
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:PUA: Shlee fucked around andreplied to Helge last edited by
@helge @thisismissem @ruud @raphael @by_caballero (Unless I misunderstand you) I think you need to consider the economics of scale here.. those numbers are based on the first instance costing the same as the last.
Deduplication and the right CDN will just make the costs drop dramatically..
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bumblefudgereplied to :PUA: Shlee fucked around and last edited by [email protected]
@shlee @helge @thisismissem @ruud @raphael inshallah! I suspect it's more a coop/nonprofit kind of infra businesd than a bankable l,VC-interesting business, but prototyping it in open source might inspire people to innovate on top and prove me wrong ?
