@stu Funny you should ask. We're in the middle of a long term test of several units. My own current fave is a tie between the OXO 8 Cup brew (though wait for it on sale, $200's a bit steep), https://amzn.to/4fak3WR or the Zwilling Enfinigy https://amzn.to/3AqiIME which, at $150 is a better deal and overall a slightly better brewer.