By the way, does anybody know if there are any statistics about how many #Bluesky account are on the company's own PDS and how many come from external PDSes? (I know the answer is “most are .bsky.social” and “many with a different host for the handle still use bsky's PDS”, but I would still like to have some concrete numbers, if there are any. Even better if sourced from somewhere I can link to.)#askFedi

That must be really frustrating. I've also invited a lot of people here and helped them get started, relatively few of them have stayed, but you put a lot more effort into it than I did ... and, your experience really speaks to the challenges fedi has.Here's how I'd phrase it in terms of the problem statement: People in general want interesting content, and most can't find it here. People who want more engagement from randos don't get it here -- and conversely a lot of my friends left because of unpleasant engagement with randos. Even when the instance admin does a lot of work, the federated feed doesn't address either of thees problems.People are used to finding these things on Twitter and Facebook, both of which rely heavily on algorithms. Mastodon uses "no algorithms" as a selling point (even though it's not true) ... and it seems like algorithms would help with these very real problems.But Mastodon does have algorithms. What gets shown on the federated feed is a really complex algorithm! It's just that the algorithms don't give people what they want.Different algorithms could help with these problems ... if the content that people want is here, and if the culture leads to that non-obnoxious randos engaging in non-obnoxious ways. Of course there aren't any one-size-fits all algorithms, which is where Bluesky's choice fits in. Still, using Twitter-like algorithms in a situation where the demographics and culture are very different isn't necessarily going to lead to results right off the bat that are anywhere near as good here as they were for many people on Twitter (who had spent a long time training the algorithm with their likes and boosts).And algorithms aren't the only way to address these problems ... affordances, federation structure, norms, demographics etc etc etc all factor into it too. So while I think Bluesky-like algorithmic choice is very useful, I'm still not convinced that it by itself would have a major impact on more people having a good enough experience that they want to stay and invite their friends.@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]