@forestine + i think this is related to this thing i find weird where people expect your transition goals to be like "become the hottest person of your desired gender that you can be" and not "feel good and normal about yourself"

like idk it doesn't occur to people that your transition goals might end with being old and happy. and part of that might be going bald or cellulite or what have you

-- multiply this by "women are inherently sexual" and people are weirded out in a particular way by transmascs transitioning

@forestine i don't really understand what people are trying to say about this stuff even when it's coming from transfems, either.. like it doesn't really make me feel better about my body either to act like before i went on E, i must've been angry, overpowered by sex drive, covered in sweat and hair, and that all those things are inherently bad instead of just like. things that can be kind of cool but respectfully maybe not for everyone

maybe it just widely makes people feel shitty in diverse ways to suggest that certain ways for bodies to be are uniquely undesirable and gross