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Latest #FOSSAcademic post: On Threads's Blocklist -
Latest #FOSSAcademic post: On Threads's BlocklistLatest #FOSSAcademic post: On Threads's Blocklist
https://fossacademic.tech/2024/06/28/ThreadsBlocking.html
In which I offer some quick analysis of #Meta #Threads new list of blocked servers.
There's so much more we can do to study what Threads is doing. Indeed, I will have a chapter on Threads in my book. But these are my initial thoughts a day into this event.
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@caseyboyle @darius I had colleagues at Utah who were really upset by ResearchFlow.@caseyboyle @darius I had colleagues at Utah who were really upset by ResearchFlow. They thought I was somehow going to actually make it. Turns out I didn't have to!
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@jdp23's post "8 tips for consent" is a good run-down of the issues around opt-in and consent on the #fediverse. I'd recommend it to developers. -
@jdp23's post "8 tips for consent" is a good run-down of the issues around opt-in and consent on the #fediverse. I'd recommend it to developers.@jdp23's post "8 tips for consent" is a good run-down of the issues around opt-in and consent on the #fediverse. I'd recommend it to developers.
One thing I would add is: we need more posts about experiences with opt-in services. E.g., "I opted in to this [bridge, search engine, aggregator] -- here's what I got out of it"
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Latest #FOSSAcademic post: "Maven Ain't So Mavenly":Latest #FOSSAcademic post: "Maven Ain't So Mavenly":
Maven Ain’t So Mavenly
The ever-alert Liaizon Wakest has informed the rest of us on the ActivityPub-based fediverse of a new social media site, Maven, which has ingested millions of posts from fediverse accounts, including mine. Multiple people have pointed out how this violates consent on the fediverse. In response, the CTO of Maven, Jimmy Secretran, has explained their reasoning: We are trying to connect up to the Fediverse, to allow interaction with other ActivityPub servers. This definitely seems to me to be within the spirit of what ActivityPub enables, but of course, I don’t want to have Maven connect to anybody who doesn’t want it. [Note that I normally do not quote fediverse posts without permission, but in this case, I am making an exception, for reasons that I think will be obvious.] I replied in the thread, arguing that, no, they are not really abiding by the spirit of ActivityPub: This isn’t how this works. No one starts a fediverse (AP) server by ingesting a bunch of posts from others without their consent. They start servers and start federating with the rest of the network. Please stop ingesting posts from AoIR.social (I’m the admin, btw). and The custom is to start a server with a code of conduct, including clear moderation rules, so that the rest of us can make informed choices about federating. What you’ve done with Maven is a pretty massive violation of norms, and likely it will result in your being defederated from many other instances. It’s a poor way to start an ActivityPub implementation. To be fair to Secretran and Maven, they have since stopped scraping my posts and, I presume, those of others who have asked them to stop. Still, I eagerly await Maven’s full ActivityPub implementation so that we can block them effectively. This incident got me to thinking about norms and customs on the fediverse and how important they are.
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In which I argue that #Maven, a new social media site, is not only breaking norms of the #fediverse by #scraping without consent -- they're ironically violating their own stated reason for existing in the first place.
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Heads-up: The CTO of an "AI-powered social network" startup Maven, Jimmy Secretan (ex-lead of OpenAI), confirming that his app has "ingested about 1,120,000 posts from Mastodon".@liaizon @jsecretan @stefan @djsundog
To add to this, the custom is to start a server with a code of conduct, including clear moderation rules, so that the rest of us can make informed choices about federating.
What you've done with Maven is a pretty massive violation of norms, and likely it will result in your being defederated from many other instances. It's a poor way to start an ActivityPub implementation.
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Heads-up: The CTO of an "AI-powered social network" startup Maven, Jimmy Secretan (ex-lead of OpenAI), confirming that his app has "ingested about 1,120,000 posts from Mastodon".@liaizon @jsecretan @stefan @djsundog
I concur with Liaizon. This isn't how this works. No one starts a fediverse (AP) server by ingesting a bunch of posts from others without their consent. They start servers and start federating with the rest of the network.
Please stop ingesting posts from AoIR.social (I'm the admin, btw).
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Discovered this morning that Maven https://heymaven.com (a social media startup who's CEO is ex OpenAI "Ken Stanley: leading the Open-Endedness Team at OpenAI") is mass importing public posts from the #fediverse with no links back to the original and n...