@Starfia @slightlyoff Would you switch and buy an android phone just so you could use (for example) the gmail web app? Or would you just use some other native email app that allows you to use your gmail account (and doesn't require you to buy a new phone)?
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported. -
I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@Starfia @slightlyoff And then this kicks in:
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@Starfia @slightlyoff Ok one more angle: the web's best selling point is that it works everywhere. That's why gmail is great. You can just go to the site on any computer and check your mail (don't forget to log out tho).
Apple has degraded that selling point by having 100% control of what works on the web.
Suddenly, you can't switch browsers, you have to buy another device.
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@Starfia @slightlyoff ... that's the best I can do right now on mobile and freestyling
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@Starfia @slightlyoff I (and many devs who know they could do more) are held back by what is possible on iOS. We can't afford to only build a web app for Android. It needs to work on iOS as well.
So iOS gets to set the ceiling of what the web can do
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@Starfia @slightlyoff Look at it this way: on desktop, how much time do you spend in your browser? Intel has numbers of 60~80% of cpu time is spent in browsers.
Then look at mobile. Why are the numbers so much lower there?
Is it because the web apps on mobile just aren't as good?
Why is that?
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@Starfia @slightlyoff It's... Complicated. 1st of all, people don't easily switch between OS/device because of lock-in. So a lot of users are on iOS and will stay there. Because Safari is missing features and/or broken, many projects will never be built as web apps. So no one notices that the web can do better, because few websites take advantage of what is possible on Android.
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I keep tooting this post, but that's partially because @rgadellaa keeps updating it as the history of Apple's uniquely colossal iOS web #fail gets more richly reported.@jalcine @janl @slightlyoff Gruber: "Because native-to-the-platform apps are inherently better [than web apps]. They look better, work better, and adhere to platform design and functional idioms far better."
https://elk.zone/mastodon.social/@gruber/113199820516483796
His website on a mobile phone:
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As you read through @rgadellaa's exhaustive (and exhausting) catalogue of showstopping web bugs on iOS [1], remember Cupertino's position to regulators is:@slightlyoff For those who do not dare venture beyond Masto's borders
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A deep and important piece by @rgadellaa that documents the gobsmacking history of showstopping bugs on iOS Safari:@hmoffatt @slightlyoff Hi! Do you have any WebKit Bugzilla tickets for those I can look at?
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🪲 An Abridged History of Safari Showstoppers🪲 An Abridged History of Safari Showstoppers
TL;DR: iOS Safari is more than an inconvenience for developers, it's the fundamental reason interoperability has been stymied in mobile ecosystems; frequent showstopping bugs, a large patch gap, and lack of competing engines ensures the web is not a credible competitor to native. Here are the receipts to prove it.
10 yrs of Safari showstopper bugs.
@slightlyoff for help drafting & edits
https://webventures.rejh.nl/blog/2024/history-of-safari-show-stoppers/