@Natanox @trevorflowers your brother in what? That comment... unless you meant something else, is *peak* late stage American culture, and it's kinda gross honestly.

Many do see UBI as a silver bullet, it's MARKETED by it's creators as a silver bullet, and "pay me" is one of the BEST WAYS to convince most Americans to vote against their interests. RAISING WAGES is a MUCH better demand than "put me into a means/criminal/credit/etc tested government program in this America." We must emancipate.

@Natanox @trevorflowers what happens when a future UBI recipient is also an anti genocide protestor, and that protestor gets arrested at a protest and accused of "antisemitism" by a fascist state that has redefined any protests against Israel as antisemitic? I wonder if there is any issue for people being chained to the state that way, dependent on the state for critical income?

@Natanox @trevorflowers do you have any proof the Yang Gang was ever going to bring in other economic controls? Would this plan do anything to stop the UBI dollar amount, per month, being recaptured by business, social services slashed, etc?? You don't think that the state and its oligarchy will just...provide 2k/month without stipulation or incentives for the corporations, right?

PAY US A FAIR WAGE. Single payer healthcare! Don't tie us to the state and Wall St?!?!?

@trevorflowers UBI is a giant trap. No on UBI -- PAY US a fair wage, and then we can manage our own finances and security without state involvement and everything that goes with it. UBI = destruction of more of the public sector, welfare, SSI, etc etc, and it will, necessarily, increase prices unless you pair it with strong price control at the same time.

Pay. Us. Fair. Wages.

@majorlinux @silver_huskey hmmm but I hope you, like me, understand bad jacketing and misinfo, and how it would definitely be in the best interests or large, dominant corporate social media and systems to try to damage the reputation of a decentralized network filled with leftists and people who fled their networks. This would be advantageous, indeed.

@majorlinux @silver_huskey you got "hate bombed"????

Ive been trying to get hate bombed here for literally 8 years, as Ive been doing online for the better part of 25 years. I go uninvited into large mainstream threads and write hard left politics, speak on the Israeli genocide of palestine, LGBTQ rights,m etc etc, but I get back 1/1000th the hate here as on any other network Ive used.

Not you though?

@silver_huskey @majorlinux Im not entirely sure about this. Im antifascist as fuck and I look for a fight with racists and people from that ideology every day that Im online (which is every day), but I dont see anywhere near as much of that here as on any of the other corporate, non-decentralized networks.

Also mastodon dot social is connected to threads, which is facebook, and can re-expose people to the standard racism and bigotry that exist there.

@silver_huskey @majorlinux yeah, this. Im nb, a writer, tech worker, hard leftist, and I keep hearing (but not really seeing) this. Ive heard this identical thing for 8 years now, on and off, since the first large migration of users began, which threatened the large corporate networks who want ALL the data to train their "AI" with. That's right around the time when the "its too hard" and "its filled with racism" people showed up.

@majorlinux its weird, but since coming here in 2018 all Ive seen masto do is grow, all the while, since basically the start, people say "its not working/people are leaving/nobody cares."

Huh. But they are flocking BACK to regular old corporate trash social media? Ok.