@BeAware I'm gonna have a list & search of Bsky->Masto and Masto->Bsky bridged accounts at some point on my site, but it's waiting for a better day when something else isn't prioritizedβ¦
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I compared the architectures of AT Protocol (Bluesky) and ActivityPub (Mastodon, etc.)You can see the tradeoffs between complexity and: - The ability to get a global view of the network.@JustinH @santisbon @boris PDS moderates its own users, but not the content that these users can see - PDSes don't interact directly with other PDSes, so there isn't really such thing as defederation of other PDSes or blocking users PDS-wide. This is mostly the role of labellers (moderation services). Someone running a PDS could also run one, but this is generally a completely separate role. So you could entrust your data hosting to one team, and your safety from trolls and haters to another.
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I compared the architectures of AT Protocol (Bluesky) and ActivityPub (Mastodon, etc.)You can see the tradeoffs between complexity and: - The ability to get a global view of the network.@JustinH @santisbon The architecture is decoupled into many different pieces, and a lot of them are currently offered by third parties, while two important ones could be but aren't at the moment. Whether this counts as decentralized, centralized or partially (de)centralized probably depends on your definition
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I've been reading up on #Bluesky, and it isn't what I thought. As far as I can tell (please correct me if you know otherwise), it an open source federated social media platform. -
I've been reading up on #Bluesky, and it isn't what I thought. As far as I can tell (please correct me if you know otherwise), it an open source federated social media platform.@BeAware @dynamic @danie10 Yeah, there's an artificial limit of 10 accounts right now enforced at the Relay so things don't get out of hand too quickly before shit's fully ready (it can be raised on request, but I think only Bridgy has did that so far).
Oh and one more thing, web UI isn't really integrated with the AppView, it's just a web-based JS client in the same way as Elk is for Mastodon. It's technically not any more privileged that any third party app, it's just "the official one".
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I've been reading up on #Bluesky, and it isn't what I thought. As far as I can tell (please correct me if you know otherwise), it an open source federated social media platform.@BeAware @dynamic @danie10 So, correction, *all* of your data has its "original location" at your PDS - all kinds of records (profile, posts, likes, follows, non-Bluesky records like WhiteWind blog posts), "blobs" like attached images, and even videos now. You can even put non-Bsky records like whtwnd posts on your Bluesky-hosted PDS.
They aren't usually directly served from there (data is served from the AppView, media from Bluesky CDN), but they can always be fetched from the original source.
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Let's clarify something: does Bluesky allow federated servers on their network? Is there a list of those independent servers?@BeAware @Blaze @fediverse Yeah, so it's not a bad explanation, maybe a bit biased
The key is that the architecture is very different, and there isn't a direct equivalent of instances. There are PDSes, but they do much less than Fedi instances, and they also don't directly talk to (federate with) each other. The data flows from PDSes to relay(s) to AppView(s) and to clients.
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In case you were wondering if Brazil is taking the migration to #Bluesky seriously, we now have these accounts there with verified custom domains:In case you were wondering if Brazil is taking the migration to #Bluesky seriously, we now have these accounts there with verified custom domains:
President Lula https://bsky.app/profile/lula.com.br
His party PT https://bsky.app/profile/pt.org.br
Telecommunications regulatory agency https://bsky.app/profile/anatel.gov.br
Supreme Court https://bsky.app/profile/stf.jus.br
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware It's like when you log in to your Mastodon/Fedi account in an app, you're shown your server's login page in a browser and then "Do you want to authorize app X to do Y?" and you press "Authorize". And in Bluesky/ATProto at the moment you enter that "app password" at the moment to log in, you give the app password to the third party app itself instead of to your server's login form. It's less secure because they get that password itself instead of a token & they get access to whole acct.
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware Also things are kind of in flux with OAuth at the moment - they've been working on it for the past few months, but it's only partially deployed so far and not ready, there have been some required updates to the PDS related to this, and most third party apps don't support OAuth login just yet, so things might be a bit messy in that area in the next few months.
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware I think you could even not have a "Bluesky profile" record with bio and avatar etc. to use WhiteWind this way (I'm not 100% sure though how the account tooling works on the installable PDS).
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware In practice it should work this way: you enter either the address of your PDS, or your handle which is resolved to your DID which is then used to find the address of your PDS, then the app contacts your PDS to authenticate to your account and get back access token from the PDS. If your on your own PDS then none of your account data is hosted on Bluesky servers except the (public) DID JSON file on plc.directory.
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware Yeah yeah, that's basically the same thing - I've seen some discussions a few times "How should we call this on the website? Log in with what?", but generally I think most people agreed that "Bluesky" will be more meaningful to more new users than "AT Protocol"β¦
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware Ok so I'm not sure I understand what you want exactly
So you could have a PDS that you've installed on your server, sign up for an account on that PDS, and then log in to WhiteWind and Frontpage with that account. At that point the only places where you'd have something to do with Bluesky infrastructure is:
- the Bluesky Relay which WhiteWind and Frontpage almost certainly pull data from because I'm sure they don't run their own
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Is there any service that runs on ATproto that *doesn't* require a BlueSky login yet?@BeAware But *that's the whole point*! "One account for multiple apps", that's the selling point. Kind of like in AP you can follow PixelFed from Mastodon, in AT you're supposed to be able to log in with the same account to Bluesky or to WhiteWind and reuse some data between them (or not, you can just make a separate account). It's not really a Bluesky account, it's an ATProto account technically. You should be able to log in with non-Bsky PDS to WhiteWind and Frontpage, if not - that's a bug.
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For those choosing Bluesky as their next social media platform, what do you think would happen if Elon Musk offered $1B to buy the company?@mastodonmigration I would like to think they would tell him to fuck off
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Brazil's Supreme Court now has an official #Bluesky account *with a verified official domain*Brazil's Supreme Court now has an official #Bluesky account *with a verified official domain*
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I love the @fediversereport, it's consistently well written and packed with insightful bits.@maegul @astrojuanlu under posts from people I follow, I think I see all replies, I definitely see a lot of replies from people I don't follow (don't ask me how this worksβ¦). But when someone I follow boosts a post from someone I don't, then I generally don't see replies there.
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I love the @fediversereport, it's consistently well written and packed with insightful bits.@astrojuanlu @maegul I'm on a single-person instance, and I wouldn't move because I like the "my home is my castle" kind of feeling, but there are definitely a lot of downsides, and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who isn't aware of those and isn't willing to live with themβ¦
It's fine for following a bunch of people and reading what they post & the discussions below, but it's useless for looking outside (hashtag feeds, trends, search etc.), so I use mastodon.social for that.