Saying goodbye to England with this excellent sign.
It’s been lovely. Thanks for having us.
Saying goodbye to England with this excellent sign.
It’s been lovely. Thanks for having us.
@erosdiscordia @amaranth @msh @ifixcoinops
I’m just hauling all the way back up here to ask whether one problem we have is that digital paths are hard to trace back. This conversation has many branches and now finding something up-path that connects across different servers is like fighting your way through curtains.
So a digital path is more like a waterfall and we have become used to being carried along. It’s more like reply all emails in that the thread starts to contain all the replies, or misses some.
And perhaps that in itself is part of the search for resting places. Question: is this a design issue, or a use issue?
@erosdiscordia @amaranth @msh @ifixcoinops
“A social network that was willing to evolve with people and to where desire-paths were noted and built into the next iteration”
I’m curious: is there something beyond corporatisation that now blocks this willingness? I also remember the web and pre-web — I found my way through IRC too. I’m wondering about the culture that accidentally blocks agency.
Tentatively, I think the willingness to evolve with people needs a very strong foundation of trust, and there are now so many forces in play that intentionally diminish trust. Without social trust we end up defaulting to rules that limit agency, because we can’t risk agency used to harm. So then, the preferred path is the managed path — we don’t trust ourselves to find new ways that work for others.
@amaranth @erosdiscordia @msh @ifixcoinops This thread is so useful and I was reading quietly but now I’m interrupting because I’m so taken with bright patterns.
It’s spoken for here and this might not cover exactly what you mean. But designing for brightness is supporting something important about social pathmaking. Pathmaking balances risk and curiosity, and that’s where safety is both essential and can become a defensive entanglement.
Brightpatterns.org: A front page to define the term and collect examples
(brightpatterns.org)
I’ve also been here a while (2016). I’ve learned CW things that were new to me, that did me no harm to learn. I didn’t feel imposed upon that it was asked for, any more than if someone asks me not to wear shoes in their house.
But I think generalisations are unhelpful now this is so big and diverse. There’s all sorts of cultures and demographics here. Generalising about this is like nationalism, it’s so tempting but can only be incomplete at best, and misleading at worst.
Cultures are diverse, hypothetical, continually evolving. The standard for what counts as demanding behaviour is clearly not agreed on either.
@Alon @AstroKatie @Mabande But just quietly, if people do CW eye contact they’re only doing something to try to take care of strangers for whom that might be a thing. That “culture of CWs” — like encouraging alt text which BS used to not do, and now does — is just a way of saying “hey, keep in mind others aren’t living with the same needs or lived experiences as you”. In the end, erring on the side of caution isn’t the worst thing we could do for each other.
Of course there are better and worse ways to point things out. All we can do is try not to be assholes for any reason anywhere even with good intentions.