@aud Definitely! I love and value doing things collaboratively, supporting people, etc. But that only works in an environment that also values those things; otherwise that behavior gets punished. (I guess I just accidentally boiled this down to an instance of the Prisoner's Dilemma.) And culturally we've built a lot of environments that don't share those values.

@aud thank you ️

I still really like pair programming as one way of organizing collaboration though. I blame the terrible manager I had instead, and more broadly, a culture that doesn't respect the many different kinds of contributions people can make

@aud I guess I've been lucky to be able to use pair programming to help ensure other people get credit that I believe they're due. Or maybe not so lucky; I did get a terrible performance review and then got laid off

@megmac I seem to recall having heard the second line as "If you don't, I don't care; I'll pull down your underwear." But it's been a few years since I was in the target demographic for such poetry

@riley Yes, and with a non-linear response to the range of voltages