@Edent Sony, Samsung, LG with its "air remote" - all as bad. This is not a "crap brand" disease...

@Edent I literally set them up for friends and family all the time. Admittedly they are always tempted by the lower tier rebadged Turkish Vestel crap (Toshiba, JVC etc. the brands that people think are "gold standard" but haven't been for years). So I'm not just idly commenting based on nothing (which I know grinds your gears).

Look at your other replies too. I'm not alone.

@Edent I want boring, fast simple menus and a super fast boot time from standby. All of which my 10 year old 1080p 40" Samsung dumb TV has and many many smart TVs I have seen don't, there's too much going on. I dread the old yeller's death. I want a simple pane of glass I can connect other things to (that I can choose and upgrade at my leisure).