@hacks4pancakes Dammit...

I mean really.. Dammit. This all makes me wish I never stopped self-hosting all of my services... At least when I ran my own email I knew I generally agreed with the morals of my host..

Seriously though, thanks for filling me in. Now I have enough data to go dig deeper. I dont use proton for anything other than a single account for the defcon group I help organize.. so im not terribly impacted personally.

Im really getting sick of every tech company suddenly showing how terrible they truly are recently. These are the companies that we've all trusted to host the infrastructure that the world operates on. Its just infuriating.

@hacks4pancakes I dont think I caught what happened with Proton, guess i need to go read up on it, but. What your describing here ive heard called Tribalism. Its what makes sportball fans so hateful toward eachother that it sometimes comes to violence. Its what makes political parties so polar opposite from each other. And for a lot of humanity's history its whats kept groups of people alive.

Our base nature makes us fall in line with people who think like we do. And then stick with them until something big makes us change our minds. Some of us are OK being loners and so we end up taking more objective views on these sort of things. But the bulk of the human race.. Its reallly hard to change.

Those of us who can think freely, do, in fact, as you say, need to call it out when we see it, and we need to be as vocal as we can be without also alienating ourselves from the larger tribes. Becasue if we appear to be too much "outside" of their views... Well.. we're just the opposition.

Let me be clear though, I am NOT suggesting that we all need to be OK with the most radical examples here. Just so we can somehow believe that we might change their minds. I am perfectly fine with being alienated from hate groups for example. But I think there are a lot of people who are floating right now, and maybe just need a good breeze in the right direction.