@evan @everton137 even if folks don't trust Jay and the Bluesky board (who are the relevant individuals and stakeholders-holders for the future of the org), we are working in the open and everybody can read and learn from our experiments, successes, and failures. We totally endorse inter-operation efforts like bridgy fed, and collaboration on overlapping needs like identity systems, OAuth, and E2EE.
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I just sent the final proofs of the #ActivityPub book to the editors at O'Reilly.@evan @everton137 bummed that you have such a negative public take on atproto and Bluesky and see it as antagonistic and "dangerous".
I have a huge respect for ActivityPub and the folks involved, including you. I think we are all working towards the same goals, there is no final word on protocols/architecture/governance/regulation in this space, and that there is a lot of room for collaboration.
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I was at #fediforum only briefly as a #FediForumAttendee, but happy to stay in touch and follow-up with folks!I was at #fediforum only briefly as a #FediForumAttendee, but happy to stay in touch and follow-up with folks!
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really excited about this tutorial we put out last week describing how to build a minimal non-bsky app on atproto: "Statusphere"https://atproto.com/guides/applicationshttps://github.com/bluesky-social/statusphere-example-appreally excited about this tutorial we put out last week describing how to build a minimal non-bsky app on atproto: "Statusphere"
https://atproto.com/guides/applications
https://github.com/bluesky-social/statusphere-example-appthere are a lot of questions (and options!) about how cross-app data+interaction will work in atproto, but at a minimum I think the protocol is quite solid for building new apps/modalities, and excited to finally demonstrate it!
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psyched by the the news that @bnewbold (protocol engineer at Bluesky) is planning a talk at @fediforum (a fediverse web conference) with the following frame:* collaboration and coordination with atproto and other protocols* interoperable identity syste...@liaizon @fediforum excited to be there as much as I can manage, but just to clarify those are things i'm interested to chat about, but don't have any prepared talk or session!
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is adversarial interoperability a goal for the ActivityPub/Mastodon ecosystem?how does it interact with opt-in culture/expectations?@mro this EFF article gives an overview: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability
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What prevents somebody from hosting a community-operated ATProto relay with a few selected PDS and chronological-only Feed Generator?@laurenshof @boris @maegul @astrojuanlu @smallcircles @hrefna yup, will need to update that guide/estimate. data volume has gone up a bunch, but we are also making the relay code (which is open) more efficient.
would also like to demonstrate/estimate how much it costs to run all the components: bsky appview, PLC, etc.
there are baseline indexing/storage costs, but currently most of the resource go towards serving requests (reads or subscribers)
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is adversarial interoperability a goal for the ActivityPub/Mastodon ecosystem?how does it interact with opt-in culture/expectations?is adversarial interoperability a goal for the ActivityPub/Mastodon ecosystem?
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I think that when people don't like social media "algorithms", the most common thread is not wanting "automated content recommendations" from outside their network. eg, "tiktok for microblogging".it has less to do with "one algo vs many", or even "open...perennial backgrounder on algo feeds
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I think that when people don't like social media "algorithms", the most common thread is not wanting "automated content recommendations" from outside their network. eg, "tiktok for microblogging".it has less to do with "one algo vs many", or even "open...so "algorithms" like "posts from quiet accounts I might have missed in the past month" are fine, and maybe "friends of friends" could be acceptable, but posts which are popular and likely relevant to interests but don't have any social connection are suspect.
wdyt?
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I think that when people don't like social media "algorithms", the most common thread is not wanting "automated content recommendations" from outside their network. eg, "tiktok for microblogging".it has less to do with "one algo vs many", or even "open...I think that when people don't like social media "algorithms", the most common thread is not wanting "automated content recommendations" from outside their network. eg, "tiktok for microblogging".
it has less to do with "one algo vs many", or even "open source vs black box", or really even "engagement maximizing vs good content"