Note: this is a personal opinion piece for my blog.
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deadsuperheroreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
Here’s the thing: our opinions may differ on what it means to talk shit about something. I have no doubt that some people have been less than charitable in evaluating the spec, but I feel that even the more difficult criticism is sometimes warranted.
Take, for example, the lengthy feedback that @[email protected] often posts when criticizing ActivityPub. This isn’t some hater or someone trying to poison the well, but a person who has built multiple implementations several times over, and has deep concerns about the specification and its shortcomings.
Instead of reflecting on feedback from people like this, and how we can collectively make things better, you lean into one of your worst tendencies: equate all critiques as the opinions of haters who want to talk trash, and then block them.
These are the very people we could be taking serious lessons from, with regards on how a future version of the spec could be better. Ignoring their input doesn’t fix anything, or make the situation better in any way.
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deadsuperheroreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
This is the exact kind of smug, self-assured, passive-aggresive tone that is driving people away from the Fediverse, though. Many of the criticisms about the Fediverse, its overlapping communities, and its overall ecosystem are entirely valid.
You are in a unique position to not only advocate for the Fediverse and ActivityPub and their respective strengths, but to double down and actually make things better. That requires carrying the spec forward, fixing the various things that are wrong, and actually implementing solutions instead of hammering on and on about things like LOLA or E2E Encryption, as those things are effectively vaporware right now that get carted out whenever it’s convenient to make a case about how we’re “going places”, when in fact most of the heavy lifting is being done at the grassroots level with FEPs.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to deadsuperhero last edited by
@sean Yeah, protocol work takes time. I do think a lot of great work is happening in FEPs.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to deadsuperhero last edited by
@sean Insisting that people unblock you is creepy and abusive. I don't know if I have this person blocked or not, but please don't do this.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to deadsuperhero last edited by
@sean it's not a problem at all. We have been allies and friends for over a decade. The call is coming from inside the house, and I appreciate your thoughts.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@sean There are collective areas where we collaborate on ActivityPub -- SWICG, SocialHub. People who want to have input on ActivityPub should participate there. I don't think having a connection to me personally is required to be part of ActivityPub.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to marcin mikołajczak last edited by
@mkljczk @sean @deadsuperhero I think this happens sometimes with WordPress's ActivityPub implementation.
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Sean Tilleyreplied to marcin mikołajczak last edited by
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marcin mikołajczakreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
it's likely related to some caching mechanism (plugin?) that's not aware of the
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Evan Prodromoureplied to marcin mikołajczak last edited by
@mkljczk @sean @deadsuperhero Yeah, that what I heard. Are you talking about the link to socialwebfoundation.org (we've had reports of this since yesterday) or Sean's blog?
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deadsuperheroreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
That is not what I am saying. This is less about undoing an action, and more about being cognizant of a behavior.
Blocking someone because they offered deep criticisms of things they found to be wrong, and assuming they’re bad faith actors / haters / trolls, is akin to covering your ears and refusing to hear what they have to say.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t use the block action when it feels appropriate, or that you should unblock people you blocked before. Just that this action requires awareness, and an ability to separate yourself from a context that could very well not actually have anything to do with you, and everything to do with The Thing Needing Fixing.
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Sean Tilleyreplied to marcin mikołajczak last edited by
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Evan Prodromoureplied to deadsuperhero last edited by
@sean So, again, it's not anybody's business why or how I block someone. Don't make assumptions about why someone uses the block button and don't blame people for blocking for the wrong reasons.
Everyone has access to the public venues where we discuss ActivityPub, as long as they comply with the codes of conduct there. I think if someone wants to be heard, that's a great place to do it.
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marcin mikołajczakreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited bySean's blog. @swf worked for me yesterday. Or maybe I was browsing it on a phone, I don't remember.
Now the /@swf link redirects to the homepage, which is unintuitive and there's no call to follow it from your Fediverse server. This made some people think the only social-ish presence of SWF is on Threads and Twitter. -
Evan Prodromoureplied to marcin mikołajczak last edited by
@mkljczk yeah, that's on me. I set up the author pages on the socialwebfoundation.org blog poorly, so they don't show any affordances for following or messaging the actor. @pfefferle offered to help me get it right, and we'll probably fix it over the week or so.
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Sean Tilleyreplied to marcin mikołajczak last edited by
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@evan @sean This kind of thread makes me so happy. One of the biggest issues of today’s time is how quick everyone is to get upset and not engage in conversation and attempt to find understanding. Thanks for explaining your side of things Mr. Evan and allowing Sean the space to explore and express how he’s feeling without you feeling attacked. I know you both deeply care about this space and want to see it reach its best form!
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