NodeBB and ads - A never ending story (Part 2)

  • NodeBB

    Maybe they weren't using document.write before? NodeBBs rendering engine hasn't changed for a very long time. After the initial page load, when you navigate from page to page we only grab json data from the server via ajax and update the #content element on the page client side.

  • Global Moderator Plugin & Theme Dev

    @baris Maybe something to do with widgets?

    @AOKP what is the DFP code that was working for you before? Where were you putting the DFP ad code, in HTML widgets?

    As for that adsense code hack, you shouldn't need to change core files, the following should achieve the same result:

    var _refreshTitle = app.refreshTitle;
    app.refreshTitle = function (title) {
      _refreshTitle(title);
      googletag.pubads().refresh();
    };
    

    Also, please don't bump this topic every day.


  • @PitaJ again. I inserted DFP over the Custom HTML & CSS in the Admin CP.
    The code I used is the official Google one.

    Second, I do not use any code hack.

    Third, sure the ads will reload, but I am not sure whether or not this is a violation against AdSense ToS. Without DFP this doesn't seems to be allowed actually.

    Fourth, last time I didn't bumped my topic it got forgotten. And actually it is the third time that I complain about issues with NodeBB and DFP/ad providers in general.

    Fifth, the only way to get it working again is to use a code hack. I did a few experiments yesterday and loaded my former Anti-AdBlock plugin over the base array of js.js (src/meta). And tada, it was working again. Unfortunately whenever I tried this for DFP ad units remained empty. However, I think DFP for jQuery might be able to work out overall.
    I will report back, whether or not I will have to do any hack or if it works straight out of the Admin CP.

    @baris they used document.write before. This has been confirmed by a DFP official to me. Same about the Anti-AdBlock plugin. The creator gave me an older version which worked just fine before I did an upgrade. As expected it did not work.

    Thanks for the interest so far, but please stop looking for the issue on DFP's or the other script providers end. All of them told me after their own investigations that the issue was on my end and after several tests and code hacks with their code it really seems to be the case.

    P.S.: Yes, I use Google PageSpeed, but disabling it didn't changed a thing.

  • Global Moderator Plugin & Theme Dev

    @AOKP I said to please not bump every day. You can bump whenever you want but please give people some time to respond.

    Where are your DFP ad units located? Are they in your theme? Embedded with widgets?

    Please provide the exact code you were using before DFP stopped working for you. You can of course censor anything compromising if you wish.

  • Swedes

    So this is the only thing that need to be included in the head (With custom header) to get reload to work when using the adsence-plugin?

    var _refreshTitle = app.refreshTitle;
    app.refreshTitle = function (title) {
      _refreshTitle(title);
      googletag.pubads().refresh();
    };
    

    Third, sure the ads will reload, but I am not sure whether or not this is a violation against AdSense ToS. Without DFP this doesn't seems to be allowed actually.

    Is there anyway to verify this?

    Edit: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30294227/reload-adsense-ads-or-have-to-use-dfp

    This means that we need to solve this issue with DFP. I guess "googletag.pubads().refresh();" code is for Google DFP only. When this is solved we should make a new clean thread with all necessary information to get this working 🙂


  • @PitaJ alright, alright.

    Again about the DFP code. It is the official Google one.

    Edit:
    I remember you had struggle with the DFP page. Will include the code here in a couple of minutes.

    @Jenkler, AdSense ToS doesn't permits your ad units to refresh automatically.

  • Swedes

    • If we get the DFP to work, is it possible to add adds in the first post of every thread? Header and footer is solvable with widgets.
    • It must be a way to skip the modify of /public/src/ajaxify.js (function renderTemplate): Is it possible to merge the change to core in a good way? What are the downsides of modifying ajaxify.js?

    @AOKP Can I see your webpage, url? Nice to see how you have solved the ad placements 😉


  • @Jenkler yes, even without DFP this is possible. I personally discourage from doing so and recommend to use an after first post ad placement.

    None. No functionallity will be broken or affected by the modification. However, as @PitaJ suggested it can be done as well by a simple header code.

    My NodeBB forum:

    @PitaJ & @baris, this is how the recent DFP code looks like:
    Header code:

    <script async='async' src='https://www.googletagservices.com/tag/js/gpt.js'></script>
    <script>
      var googletag = googletag || {};
      googletag.cmd = googletag.cmd || [];
    </script>
    
    <script>
      googletag.cmd.push(function() {
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Footer', [[970, 250], [336, 280], [728, 90], [970, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-0').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Footer_Mobile', [[320, 100], [300, 250], [320, 50]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-1').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Mid', [[336, 280], [728, 90], [970, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-2').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Mid_Mobile', [[320, 100], [300, 250], [320, 50]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-3').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Post', [[336, 280], [728, 90], [970, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-4').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Post_Mobile', [[320, 100], [300, 250], [320, 50]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-5').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Side', [[160, 600], [300, 250], [300, 600]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-6').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Top', [[336, 280], [728, 90], [970, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-7').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Top_Mobile', [[320, 100], [320, 50]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-8').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.pubads().enableSingleRequest();
        googletag.pubads().collapseEmptyDivs();
        googletag.enableServices();
      });
    </script>
    

    Body code (ad units):

    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Footer -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-0'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-0'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Footer_Mobile -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-1'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-1'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Mid -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-2'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-2'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Mid_Mobile -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-3'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-3'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Post -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-4'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-4'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Post_Mobile -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-5'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-5'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Side -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-6'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-6'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Top -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-7'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-7'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    
    <!-- /275425923/AdX_Top_Mobile -->
    <div id='div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-8'>
    <script>
    googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1476529722718-8'); });
    </script>
    </div>
    

    Here how the header code looks like with synchronous rendering:

    <script>
      (function() {
        var useSSL = 'https:' == document.location.protocol;
        var src = (useSSL ? 'https:' : 'http:') +
            '//www.googletagservices.com/tag/js/gpt.js';
        document.write('<scr' + 'ipt src="' + src + '"></scr' + 'ipt>');
      })();
    </script>
    
    <script>
      googletag.cmd.push(function() {
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Footer', [[336, 280], [970, 90], [728, 90], [970, 250]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-0').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Footer_Mobile', [[320, 50], [320, 100], [300, 250]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-1').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Mid', [[336, 280], [970, 90], [728, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-2').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Mid_Mobile', [[320, 50], [320, 100], [300, 250]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-3').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Post', [[336, 280], [970, 90], [728, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-4').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Post_Mobile', [[320, 50], [320, 100], [300, 250]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-5').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Side', [[300, 600], [160, 600], [300, 250]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-6').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Top', [[336, 280], [970, 90], [728, 90]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-7').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.defineSlot('/275425923/AdX_Top_Mobile', [[320, 50], [320, 100]], 'div-gpt-ad-1476529786566-8').addService(googletag.pubads());
        googletag.pubads().enableSingleRequest();
        googletag.pubads().collapseEmptyDivs();
        googletag.pubads().enableSyncRendering();
        googletag.enableServices();
      });
    </script>
    

    Body code remains same, no matter if async or sync.

  • Swedes

    However, as @PitaJ suggested it can be done as well by a simple header code.

    What code do you refer to? Do you mean this?

    var _refreshTitle = app.refreshTitle;
    app.refreshTitle = function (title) {
      _refreshTitle(title);
      googletag.pubads().refresh();
    };
    
    • Can I do a "after first post ad placement." with widgets?
    • Do your header + body code need additional mods to work? Extra headercode or modify of ajax file?

    I will keep following this thred and when everything is solved maybe you can help me out with a working simple example 🙂 I guess I need this working too 😛 Thanks!

    EDIT: It seams that you site reload the whole site for every click i do. It it a temp fix?


  • @Jenkler yes the reloading you see on my site is temp as I do not want to violate AdSense ToS.

    And the after first post ad cannot be done without any modification to the widgets.js. However, it is a relatively simple thing to do.

  • Global Moderator Plugin & Theme Dev

    @AOKP the after first post ad should be able to be done by modifying your theme files.


  • @PitaJ and creating a custom HTML tag.

    Nevermind, if anyone is interested I can share my solution. But before that lets get DFP working again.

  • Global Moderator Plugin & Theme Dev

    @AOKP I'm looking at your forum, and it appears that your ads are inserted with widgets. I would recommend trying putting the ad elements into your theme files directly. You can make them partials and just include them in the main theme files for topics, main content, etc.

    If you were trying to use DFP sync rendering inside widgets, it wouldn't work since I think widgets are loading asynchronously and inserted into the page. In fact, you should probably bake all of your DFP code into a custom theme.


  • @PitaJ async ads do not work either.
    I think I should try to change the position and way widgets.js is loaded.

  • Global Moderator Plugin & Theme Dev

    @AOKP it could be that the widget HTML hasn't loaded in before it attempts to load the ads, so the ads fail to load.

    Please try putting the DFP stuff directly in your theme.


  • @PitaJ not working either.

    Again let me roll up things once again very clearly. Please also read it properly.

    A long time ago DFP sync ads were working fine, just like an Anti-AdBlock script I used.
    Same was for ad code provided from other advertisers, like Sulvo or Ezoic. However, since 6 months NodeBB started to cause real issues.
    Sync ads broke the entire page, the Anti-AdBlocker stopped working and ads from other providers (using document.write) stopped too.

    And since version 1.2.x ads do not show up at all.

    Except AdSense ones. I tried it on a blank install, I followed the setup guide step by step, but the issue still appears.
    Even my AdX account manager says that the issue is on my end, just like the many other tech staff from other advertisers (thanks for their support). This sh*t cannot be fixed by inlining DFP code, nor can it be fixed by any other approach, which is not related to code hacking.

    Excuse the curse, but there is no other way to describe the issue properly.

    @baris, are there any security concerns if I downgrade to NodeBB v0.9.x? Even though I said that downgrading is not an option for me and that it won't be any beneficial for NodeBB to leave it unfixed I think as of now this would be the best option.


  • 2 days passed. Bumping.

  • Plugin & Theme Dev

    You've been asked not to bump. Please don't continue doing it!

    You know, it might be so simple that people don't know how to help you without putting a lot of effort into investigating this issue.
    If you hire/pay the nodebb staff for a few hour they might be able to help you.

  • Global Moderator Plugin & Theme Dev

    @hek I only asked him not to bump it every day. He can bump with lower frequency of he wants.


  • @hek ironically I sent a request for that already and was told to wait until the end of October. However, before I will pay 300$ on a plugin which allows me to load custom JS I rather throw the money away for a DB conversion to IPB.

    And as mentioned before. The issue is not only occuring with ads. It is related to ANY custom JS.
    If you think that this is not worth to investigate I can't help it. Why you even read the topic then?

    I do think I speak for all the webmasters when I say that we need to load custom stuff. No matter if it is CSS or JS and that we also need to have a proper possibility to monetize our sites with either a working plugin or a different method.

    Otherwise you can continue to host MC kiddies.

    I really do like NodeBB, but also am happy at the same time that I didn't applied it to all of my sites.

    And considering the fact that it wants to take a leadership in forum software by showing how functional it is, it also shows how "unprofessional" it is.

    Don't understand this as hate. But just think of the following use case. You want to run an enterprise forum and have to choose between traditional forum software or NodeBB. NodeBB seems to have all the features you need, but unfortunately it is not capable to deal with some of your custom code. So what will you do? But keep in mind that the other forum software would be extendable to have the same features as NodeBB within a few simple steps.

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