bear with me for a second
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"democrats aren't effectively running their campaigns on them"
and my point is they can't
it's owned by the plutocrats. they control the algorithms. they amplify the edgelords saying hateful things for clout and the racist misogynistic and transphobic trolls
why are you trying so hard to push this lie that it is a level playing field?
it's not
the left needs its own platform. you can't compete fairly in the fascist's house
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and now you're proving my point!
do you understand who joe rogan is? do you view him as some impartial everyman?
we need our own joe rogan
you don't win in a rigged game
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He talks to everyman types. Trump knew to capitalise on this free media, and he did it on other similar shows.
Rogan basically endorsed Bernie and the left lost their minds over the fact Bernie was even engaging.
You know it's ok to talk to people that don't already agree with you. It's actually significantly more effective.
Go look at the voting demographics that dems lost and compare them to the demographics that watch Rogan.
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i don't give a shit about joe rogan. i agree, i disagree, it doesn't matter. you're railroading. you did that before with voting conspiracies. address the topic, don't twist it
the topic:
if you invite me to play cards, and you use a rigged deck, i'm not playing cards with you
if you don't understand that point, then we're done. because that's centralized social media: they amplify right wing lies, and squelch the left
you can't expect anyone to engage on those terms
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I'm not expecting you to use these platforms. That was never my point. I really don't care if you do or don't use them. Personally I don't either.
But Democrats need to reach tens of millions of people and I have no problem with them using them to the best of their abilities to do so.
Which I don't think they did in this election cycle.
You're having your own argument at this point.
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no, you keep going off arguing your own points without listening to what i am saying
you're arguing the democrats didn't reach people because {X}
i don't care
i'm talking about the future
i've been very clear on that
look at the top comment
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Ultimately we agree, it would be better in the future to address these platforms. That's an amazing insight... Got anything to contribute in regards to how?
Some tangible ideas?
In the meantime while you're imagining something that at best will take probably 8-10 election cycles to achieve... I'm going to argue that these are platforms democrats need to engage better with.
They aren't going away.
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it won't take that long. it just needs an inflection point that starts a stampede
i do have tangible ideas. stay tuned. i followed you. follow me back or if you don't like handing out follows bookmark me
"I'm going to argue that these are platforms democrats need to engage better with"
absolutely not. i've clearly told you why that cannot work
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You actually haven't clearly done that, but I take the points you've made. I'm not convinced by them all.
These platforms are going to get stronger in the next 4 years. No point pretending otherwise.
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you don't believe that the centralized corporate social media platforms have algorithms that opaquely emphasize and deemphasize certain content?
you believe that these platforms play fair and that democrats' voices stand on equal footing with racist trolls and moronic conspiracy theories?
you believe it is wise to exert effort at engaging on these platforms so that your engagement can be buried?
you trust these plutocrat assholes?
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Chancerubbagereplied to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 last edited by
@benroyce @DroidPort @NZedAUS @mastodonmigration
Preaching only to the choir isn’t helping much either, frankly.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Chancerubbage last edited by
@Chancerubbage @benroyce @DroidPort @NZedAUS
Certainly feel that frustration. What do you suggest?
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This is necessary reading:
A new era dawns. America’s tech bros now strut their stuff in the corridors of power | Carole Cadwalladr
The era that began with the Great Disruptor’s first term is over. Beware the emerging elite
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
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@benroyce @DroidPort @NZedAUS @mastodonmigration
I’d like to see the traditional press open up and do the right thing again.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Chancerubbage last edited by
@Chancerubbage @benroyce @DroidPort @NZedAUS
Kinda don't know what 'traditional press' means anymore.
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Chancerubbagereplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @benroyce @DroidPort @NZedAUS
It hasn’t been around in nearly 30 years.
Those counting on a ‘youth vote’ to save them? Much of the youth haven’t even ever lived in a world without being totally surrounded by the propaganda.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Chancerubbage last edited by
@Chancerubbage @benroyce @DroidPort @NZedAUS
The youth vote and the balkanization of information bubbles with Gen Z was a real shocker. Maybe it shouldn't have been, but stunning.
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@benroyce I've said it before, but it bears repeating — if we want a noncommercial fediverse to exist, we have to support it if we are able.
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