"Today Trump confirmed that he intends to bypass normal legal constraints on his actions by declaring a national emergency on his first day in office in order to launch his mass deportation of undocumented migrants."
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Supergrobireplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Hm, maybe my point was that these people will need to learn it the hard way that voting for Trump isn't in their own favor
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Σειληνός (Seilēnós)replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy The hit on Social Security & Medicare will be devastating.
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There are just so many competing narratives on why people voted as they did.
There is the "they are cruel and evil" narrative, the economic hardship narrative, and many others.
Normally I just spilt the difference, but at this point I have no idea what to believe without becoming my own scholar on the subject.
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LESS THAN 25%!
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@BassRck66 @lupus_blackfur Sorry, but I don't know what you're referring to when you say less than 25%.
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@zagone If you see rounding up millions of people, incarcerating and deporting them, as something other than cruelty, then you and I see things rather differently.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Σειληνός (Seilēnós) last edited by
@Seilenos Definitely.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Supergrobi last edited by
@supergrobi That I agree is correct.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Fasting cat Picks last edited by
@greycat Definitely not a great way to run things. A big step on the fascist path.
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That's the % of people that voted trump, in USA.
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@BassRck66 @lupus_blackfur I see. The percent of those who voted for him as tabulated against the whole population of eligible voters, many of whom did not vote, you mean?
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"Found it!"
The actual outcome of this election with •the whole US population• as the denominator:
22% voted for Harris
23% voted for Trump
<1% voted for other
26% eligible but did not vote*
28% not eligible to vote* (whether by choice or by voter suppression)
Numbers might shift a tiny bit as last votes are counted, but this is close to the final tally.
Paul Cantrell
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@wdlindsy Putting a dollar figure on such ugly inhumanity feels so… cold. Yet it is an undeniable part of the hideous equation, and the one that will get the attention of the fiscally-minded-but-hard-hearted.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"The next president has promised to start mass deportations of undocumented immigrants on his first day in office. He plans to force the military and local law enforcement agencies to round up anyone he thinks is undocumented.
There are several problems with this (of course there are):"
~ Pamela Hilliard Owens
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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The 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts
The next president falsely believes he can use these to deport 20 million undocumented immigrants and their American-born children.
(wearespeaking.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"• The program only targets brown and Black immigrants.
•Even undocumented immigrants pay millions in taxes from which they cannot receive benefits and spend tens of millions in the economy.
• Very few undocumented immigrants commit crimes, although the MAGAs escalate any crime to unnecessary attention, trying to cast all undocumented immigrants as dangerous criminals falsely."
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"• Documented immigrants and American citizens may be caught up in this program.
• Undocumented immigrants make up the majority of people who pick and pack our fruits and vegetables, work in meat-packing plants and nursing homes, and work on construction projects all around the country."
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"• If undocumented immigrants also have American-born children, it is planned to deport them as well, although the 14th Amendment protects the American citizenship of the children."
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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ScroogeReportreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Bill, you now realize we pick and choose our Amendments cafeteria style. As it suits our needs and appetites. - MAGA
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William -- The first a-holes to eagerly round-up people are cruel and evil.
A year or so later, they might be that, or "just following orders", or scared for their family.
I thought we were talking about why people voted Trump? I'm open to the cruel bastards version, but there are so many other narratives including economic desperation.
Economic desperation can be viewed as clueless, lied to, greedy, and/or single-minded.
