Elon Musk has refused to follow orders from Brazilian authorities, and the authorities are now doing everything in their power to stop Elon Musk, like they would any other criminal.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Randahl Fink last edited by
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@randahl this guy needs stopping. https://andypiper.co.uk/2024/09/02/fediverse-for-government-organisations-a-follow-up/
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AlexanderMarsreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @randahl in Brazil it’s not the FCC that matters, it’s Anatel and they can really fuck Musk.
from the article “Had Starlink continued to disobey de Moraes by providing(Twitter) access, telecommunications regulator Anatel could eventually have seized equipment from Starlink’s 23 ground stations that ensure the quality of its internet service, Arthur Coimbra, an Anatel board member, said on a video call from his office in Brasilia.”
Musk's Starlink backtracks and says it will comply with judge's order to block X in Brazil
Elon Musk’s satellite-based internet service provider Starlink has backtracked and announced it will comply with a Brazilian Supreme Court justice’s order.
AP News (apnews.com)
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to AlexanderMars last edited by
This is interesting and informative news. When you recklessly declare war with sovereign governments things might not go according to your plan.
The point about the FCC is not that they will do anything. The FCC has been pretty toothless with regard to Starlink which is another huge matter.
The point is LEO where Starlink operates is a public resource and Musk's license from the US Gov is effectively an assurance from the US that the resource will be used responsibly.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
This effectively makes Musk's use of LEO to threaten a sovereign nation an international matter between our governments.
Musk is effectively using a resource granted to him by the USG to attack a nation. This pulls the government into this conflict.
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Jorge Candeiasreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @AlexanderMars @randahl Public resource, but not public American resource.
What the FCC decides is irrelevant for any other nation. You can't operate in country X without following the laws and regulations of country X. Period.
This includes the EU, as Space Karen will end up discovering sooner or later. He's already in the crosshairs.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Jorge Candeias last edited by
@jorgecandeias @AlexanderMars @randahl
Absolutely. This is another matter entirely. By claiming authority over licensing of a worldwide public resource, the USG assumes responsibility. You could say on what international authority is the USG operating? And the answer would be there isn't any, which is a huge problem for the future. But the fact Musk is utilizing this authority to threaten other nations is a problem right now for the US Government that has appropriated dominion over this space.
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@mastodonmigration @randahl edge lords may pretend that Starlink is some kind of magical service that a local government can’t touch, but they’re fucking wrong. Brazil could easily revoke SpaceX licenses and even go as far as criminalise consumer hardware possession, and there would be fuck all Musk could do about it beyond sending butthurt tweets.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to AlexanderMars last edited by
No disagreement. Certainly #Brazil has recourses. What is interesting however is that this becomes an international matter between the Brazilian and the US governments because the US granted Musk authority to use Low Earth Orbit, a worldwide public resource, and he is using this to threaten the sovereign nation of Brazil. This necessarily draws the US into this as an international matter between nations.
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AlexanderMarsreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @jorgecandeias @randahl to emphasise the point, the FCC and USG have ZERO power to regulate radio or satellite transmissions in other countries. Starlink is at the mercy of whatever local government it’s beaming a signal to from orbit. Shit, I could see the US extraditing Musk to face prosecution in Brazil if he took shit too far.
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AlexanderMarsreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @randahl so let’s clear something up. It’s not the USG it’s the UN that approved Starlink’s orbit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunication_Union
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to AlexanderMars last edited by
@AlexanderMars @jorgecandeias @randahl
Think we are talking past each other. Completely agree with everything you have written.
In addition, Musk is creating an international incident between the two countries that involves the authority granted to him by the USG to use LEO, and his use of it to threaten the nation of Brazil.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to AlexanderMars last edited by
It's complicated, but both the US FCC and the ITU are involved.
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AlexanderMarsreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @randahl sure, but the FCC only has jurisdiction in the US, guessing starlinks biggest market. Without FCC approval there’s probably not much of a business case for launching the satellites at all. Also I will grant you that the US wields considerable influence within the UN. Really though, ITU could stop approving launches if Musk has become a bad tenant.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to AlexanderMars last edited by
Yes. The point however is that one of the things the Brazilian Government can aslo do is contact the US Government and say, "What the heck, you licensed this guy to use LEO and he's using it to threaten us and destabilize our government. Do something about it."
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Thomas Deckerreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @AlexanderMars @randahl Last I checked*, a license to use LEO doesn't include a license to circumvent and supplant official US foreign policy channels? I think that may be a crime, no?
*I didn't check. Maybe it's there, next to the forced arbitration clause?