Honestly baffled
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@bcdavid Some WIP fediverse starter pack projects are pursuing list imports. I myself run https://directory.hci.social where you can bulk follow ~200 HCI researchers.
I find that the import process is too long and complicated for the starter pack use case. (Click the "
️" button to see what I mean.)I put forward a concept for one-click followable AP starter packs yesterday: https://github.com/pixelfed/starter-kits/issues/1#issuecomment-2480729430 Hoping for implementers to chime in & maybe cooperate.
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@elduvelle All of this is true, but there is a caveat: abusive replies (the really bad, intentional kind) are often posted with "followers only" visibility, meaning even with "fetch all replies", still only the harasser, their friends, and the harassed person can see the reply. Even the mods might not see it until it's reported.
My stance is that "followers only" replies make no non-abusive sense and need to be filtered by default.
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@elduvelle I'm on a single-user instance so I don't know what the typical moderator experience is like. I'm curious: when admins/mods look at a local thread, can they see "followers only" replies that they are not explicitly tagged in? I guess in general they would not be visible, but it would make sense for the purpose of moderation if admins could always see all replies to people on their server, including non-public ones.
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@elduvelle @jonny Ideally this would be tackled through changes in the Mastodon code, to always show non-public replies to public posts to moderators viewing the thread so proactive moderation is possible. Probably not an easy code change would be my guess. 🫤 Plus there'd be implications on people's privacy expectations to discuss, since this lightly brushes against "admins can read your DMs" discourse.
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jonny (good kind)replied to Julian Fietkau last edited by
@julian @elduvelle idk i don't necessarily think that giving moderators privilege to view things that wouldn't be obvious to people is a great idea, but it should be possible to just filter those kinds of replies in the first place if people don't want to get them.
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Julian Fietkaureplied to jonny (good kind) last edited by
@jonny @elduvelle Yeah, you're not wrong. I reiterate my "followers-only replies should be filtered by default" stance. I've made private replies to public posts before when I wanted to confidentially alert the person to something, but for the life of me I cannot think of a valid use case specifically for "visible only to me, the person I'm replying to, and all my followers".
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James Mitchellreplied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by
@mekkaokereke @james I'd go as far as saying that the fediverse is kinda shit in ways that are invisible to the majority of the people who thrive here. The mix of deep survivorship bias and folks who are actively abusive to keep things the way they like it means that Mastodon will never be the network to fill the niche that Twitter and Bluesky fill
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@mekkaokereke @james the VC rug pull is coming, but the Mastodon rug pull is present and perpetual. This post is only exemplary of, not particularly special:
Guinan (@[email protected])
📢 Ten Forward Moderation Announcement 📢 I will limit/silence mastodon.social in 24 hours due to the torrential volume of spam accounts and posts originating from mastodon.social. I am tired of dealing with mastodon.social's general incompetence. The limit/silence will last as long as I deem necessary. If you do not know what limit/silence means, please see: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/moderation/#limit-server #fediblock
Ten Forward (tenforward.social)
- small instances are perpetually being fucked by the big ones.
- your social graph exists at the whim of every damn site it touches
- and we get a "you're doing mastodon wrong" for using it the way that even the algorithm averse ex twitter person wants to use it -
@wotsac @mekkaokereke @james hopefully we can make some forward progress on these areas. Spam is something that the new FSAP protocol / specification is wanting to tackle (as well as discovery)
