1/IMPORTANT thread about Bluesky funding and origins.
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Dave Troy :toad:replied to Dave Troy :toad: last edited by
9/The company should try to address this by publishing a clear and convincing "trust story" that offers assurances about its funders and their motives, similar to an S-1 prior to an IPO. Creators deserve to have a clear picture so they can decide whether and how to invest. Basic transparency.
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@davetroy This is all good for people to know, but *please* don’t call these jerks “anarchists” or call it an “online anarchist movement”. They don’t want to be regulated *themselves*, but they are actively trying to subjugate and exploit others, which is anathema to anarchism.
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@davetroy Can you not conflate wealthy libertarians with anarchism?
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@kevin they're often the same, when they are anarchocapitalists. But I do understand your distinction.
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@RandomDamage @Moss @davetroy they are very literally not anarchists though, and it makes it hard to recommend this thread despite having a lot of important information because in the first post, op says something where they have no idea what they're talking about
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Asta [AMP]replied to Sturm und Drag last edited by [email protected]
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Just to help add more context, "Effective Altruism" uses anarchist-style labels and ideas to sell eugenics and cement the role of capital. It is most definitely not anarchy.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] yeah, most anarchists I know are devoted to the idea of the kind of mutual aid that was happening post-hurricane in Asheville, whereas these assholes are devoted to technology that makes more hurricanes. It’s a pretty big difference.
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@davetroy Anarchism is “no rulers including myself.” Libertarianism (in recent usage) is “no rulers except myself”, with the implication that literally everyone else is just a resource to exploit. A sort of “distributed monarchism” with trade agreements between a million rapacious kinglets.
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@davetroy I'd go as far as to say I'm somewhat offended seeing "anarchist movements" casually listed with everything else here.
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@Moss yes, I know. But there are a lot of people interpreting those philosophies in ways that suit themselves.
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@sashin the specific strain being referenced here is closest to LeFevre-ian 'autarchy' and Konkinist agorism. "Anarchist" in that they wish to dissolve the state.
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@davetroy I’m sorry but “professional liars misuse terms, so I will too” is not the seat of logic you might have thought it was.
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@Moss if you're curious, the specific strains I'm referencing is LeFevre-ian voluntarism and autarchy, and Konkinist agorism. Both of them want to dissolve the state, hence they are, by definition, 'anarchists.'
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@davetroy Destroying the state is not the only defining characteristic of anarchism, it is only the most simplistic freshman-level element. The specific right-libertarian people in the specific case of bsky funding are all power-hungry exploiters, not devotees of a narrow historical branch of political philosophy.
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@Moss yes, and yet they still would consider themselves "anarchocapitalists." You should take this up with them.
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@[email protected] it might be worth clarifying the original post by changing it anarchocapitalist (or something like that). Otherwise it's easy for people who aren't aware of anarchocapitalist perspectives -- or who don't think of it as anarchists -- to misinterpret.
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Rich Puchalsky ⩜⃝replied to Dave Troy :toad: last edited by
Anarchists do not consider "anarcho-capitaiists" to be anarchists. All anarchists oppose capitalism, and all anarchism is against all forms of hierarchical control, not just the state's.
You've created a long thread of people telling you the same thing over and over, none of which was necessary to what you wanted to write. This kind of "anarchists want to destroy the state, and so do warlords, therefore warlords are anarchists" just isn't going to fly on Mastodon.
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@jdp23 @davetroy You're aware that one of the best known anarchists, Moxie Marlinspike, was involved in the creation of a major cryptocurrency? After his time at Signal, that's what he did and then Signal integrated that cryptocoin into their app!
Go back in time to fediverse 2017, you will see anarchists all over promoting cryptocurrency. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people I had debates with as recently as a year ago, citing aid to journalists and refugees, weren't anarchists. Some of the software projects I've been involved in were headed by individuals who were intensely anti-border and pro-cryptocurrency.
Anarchists forget their own history that Julian Assange is or was their hero, and that many of them reacted strongly to the US govt cutting off Wikileaks' money flow. A lot of anarchist momentum went into bitcoin because of that.
